@that song -...it sounds like an 80s movie, awesome but a little unfitting to a zelda game. @ura coming back up - isnt it kind of picking at the scars of everyone involved? i mean the wounds have healed and all... but in that position i personally wouldnt do that.. id kinda start on something new. but thats just me please dont hurt me. and using mellows project as proof spire was the kind to take control is sort of a straw man(dont care if i used it incorrectly), there was high ambition, but hardly any ideas. just a handful of awesome concepts and sketches. half of which being changes to the existing character. an antagonist that wore what looked like a hybrid between majoras mask and the keaton mask. the concept artists were the only people driving anything. the rest of the time wed ramble about fan theories to base the story around. by the time i bailed it was just a bunch of people posting spam and stupid stuff that had nothing to do with anything. spire definately had a lot of ideas. but half of them couldnt be put to use anywhere and he couldnt adjust his ideas to work within zelda 64's engine. he didnt strike me as the kind to hijack a project, however he struck me more like the kind of guy who should stick to designing dungeons and outfits. the antiqua project was a project that DESPERATELY needed ideas. and his fit right into that universe we were all attempting to create. but all we had was that there were like 3 interlopers, each of which had like his/her own dungeon, there was maenon, the keatonjora guy i mentioned earlier, mors and canistro, a guy whos soul got split in half by a mask majora gave him. i got the name by typing death basket into google translate a few times. and majora. and it was loosely inspired by that section of the majoras mask manga. i'm pretty sure the hero was like, the fierce deity prior to becoming a fierce deity. the overworld was termina prior to being colonized by hylians. and the shiekah might have played a role in it. we had this vague ass story arch and a few concepts and models by me, spire, porto881, i wanna say kusai? and zaneeba. and that was it. entirely. it. and it didnt even fit in the engine at the time. and im fairly sure it STILL doesnt. i like mellow, i do, but he was just really not that good at running that project. and it wasnt for a lack of trying.. some good did come from it, i met my girlfriend who i currently actually live with now through that project. but the project didnt live to fruition, and spire had absolutely nothing to do with it. he never tried to "hijack" antiqua. whoever said that lied. or has some kind of large ego. and sorry to talk about antiqua so much in the "footage of ura thread" i just felt like it needed to be said.