SanguinettiMods Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Though you have to admitt they do look like twins if you paint her right. No, Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twili Posted April 2, 2011 Author Share Posted April 2, 2011 I didn't want to make a topic just for this, so... Just discovered this today while replaying OoT. Apparently the Triforce spots in the Water Temple were a mechanism to lower Lake Hylia's water level. This means that they weren't used in the Water Temple... Does this breathe new life to the theory that the Water Temple is actually the Temple of Light? It also makes me recall Zelda's Birthday's placement of the Ice Cavern where the Water Temple normally is (Ice Temple's original location?). This would also open up the exit list entry in Zora's Fountain used for the Ice Cavern to be instead used for the Great Fairy Fountain, and the Great Fairy Fountain exit for jumping off the waterfall. My idea is that the Ice Cavern's current location was meant for the Great Fairy Fountain, and the bombable wall to access it now was solid, so that didn't lead anywhere. More evidence to suggest that the Temple of Light was playable is the fact that when you get the Forest Medallion, your quest log places it right next to Zora's Sapphire, yet the Light Medallion all the way to the right, implying that the Temple of Light was the final temple. UPDATE! What's going on here? This is another one of the spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage of Mirrors Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 And where is that? How did you get it to display that text? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twili Posted April 2, 2011 Author Share Posted April 2, 2011 And where is that? How did you get it to display that text? Just discovered this today while replaying OoT. Apparently the Triforce spots in the Water Temple... Maybe read my post. The Action Icon will say "Check" in front of them. Then it will display the text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage of Mirrors Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Ah, my bad. Sorry. So they just left those messages in the game like that? What's the 'Gate on the Far Heights,' I wonder? The 'Path sleeping at the bottom of the lake' may just refer to the entrance to the Water Temple. Maybe they didn't have you need the hookshot, originally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcaith Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 It's entirely possible that the texts simply refer to the water levels within the temple and the positions you can reach by raising/lowering the water to those levels. I would also like to point out that if you removed the water from the temple, it becomes nearly impossible to navigate (from memory) so unless some heavy alterations were made to the geometry, it's doubtful that it was originally the Temple of Light. It's also possible that the texts were reused from other areas, and found new context in the temple. Also, I would like to point out that regardless of the Lake's Water level, you can enter the Water Temple. You just need the Iron Boots to sink to the bottom. Likely the Ocarina just unlocked the gate in place of the hookshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage66 Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Ah, my bad. Sorry. So they just left those messages in the game like that? What's the 'Gate on the Far Heights,' I wonder? The 'Path sleeping at the bottom of the lake' may just refer to the entrance to the Water Temple. Maybe they didn't have you need the hookshot, originally? Sorry to busrt your bubble but i have to agree will arcaith that its just the water level.But just back to object human im wondering what is the most unique beta we came across we haven't actually come across an answer to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twili Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 It ain't over 'til it's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcaith Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I'd like to point something out to you. First off; the first sigil lowers the water level all the way to the bottom, allowing you to open a path which is at the bottom of the temple (and therefore at the bottom of the lake). The second and third sigils raise the water twice, allowing you to access the highest doors in the temple. My second point ties in with my first point and is this; it's entirely probable that the texts were originally used elsewhere to open the Water Temple and the Death Mountain Trail. I'm not disputing that. But they were probably reused here as they were either found to be perfect for the temple's design, or they may have even inspired the design itself. I still don't think the Water Temple was ever the Temple of Light, though. It definitely would have been the last temple on the list, however putting the medallion in before the forest medallion on the file display would have broken the flow of FOREST, FIRE, WATER that is initially set by the Spiritual Stones. It's likely simply aesthetic in that case. Also, the Light Medallion is generally seen as being paramount over the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeth Ryder Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I'd like to point something out to you. First off; the first sigil lowers the water level all the way to the bottom, allowing you to open a path which is at the bottom of the temple (and therefore at the bottom of the lake). The second and third sigils raise the water twice, allowing you to access the highest doors in the temple. My second point ties in with my first point and is this; it's entirely probable that the texts were originally used elsewhere to open the Water Temple and the Death Mountain Trail. I'm not disputing that. But they were probably reused here as they were either found to be perfect for the temple's design, or they may have even inspired the design itself. I still don't think the Water Temple was ever the Temple of Light, though. It definitely would have been the last temple on the list, however putting the medallion in before the forest medallion on the file display would have broken the flow of FOREST, FIRE, WATER that is initially set by the Spiritual Stones. It's likely simply aesthetic in that case. Also, the Light Medallion is generally seen as being paramount over the rest. I fully agree with you Arcaith, I couldn't of worded it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flotonic Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Will someone explain this, then? In prerelease screenshots, we saw Link meeting Sheik at the altar. That would be where he descended. In the final game, he came face-to-face with Sheik at the Pedestal of Time. Disprove that this is leftover beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twili Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 "Do not argue with the mandate from Nintendo of America who translated the dialogue out of context!" The pieces of text about the path sleeping at the bottom of the lake and the gate on the far heights aren't even inside the Water Temple text region: Oh...you... If I'm right... Link?! You're Link, aren't you? It's me, your fiancée, Ruto! Princess of the Zoras! I never forgot the vows we made to each other seven years ago! You're a terrible man to have kept me waiting for these seven long years... But now is not the time to talk about love... I'm sure you've already seen it! Zora's Domain--totally frozen! A young man named Sheik saved me from under the ice... But my father and the other Zoras have not ...yet... I want to save them all! I want to save Zora's Domain! You! You have to help me! This is a request from me, the woman who is going to be your wife! Link, you have to help me destroy the evil monster in the Temple, OK?! Inside the Water Temple, there are three places where you can change the water level. I'll lead the way. Follow me, quickly!! Link! Look out! That isn't normal water over there! And here's the text about that path and the gate, and what it's sandwiched between: One with the eye of truth shall be guided to the Spirit Temple by an inviting ghost. Those who wish to open the path sleeping at the bottom of the lake must play the song passed down by the Royal Family. Those who wish to open the gate on the far heights, play the song passed down by the Royal Family. Those who find a Small Key can advance to the next room. Those who don't can go home! Haunted Wasteland and Gerudo Training Ground. Conclusion: they were orphaned as text was being rewritten/removed to reflect gameplay. We have the ocarina pedestal in Zora's Fountain, but no text remains about "playing the song passed down by the Royal Family to awaken the guardian deity of the Zoras." And common sense, people? There is no "path sleeping at the bottom of the lake" that can only be accessed once the water level in the temple is lowered. All four pathways at the bottom of the Water Temple are accessible with it filled with water. The only thing that you can't enter is the central chamber, which is through a door near a PUDDLE down there. Hardly a "path" at the bottom of a "lake." And there is no "far heights" in the temple, nor is there a gate blocking them. All of the gates that Link passes through lead downwards, such as the one opened by shooting an eye switch and using the Longshot to reach the other side of a block at a lower level of the temple. Or there's the one in the room with enemies that's opened and allows access to the top of the grating for a chest. Another one stays on the same level and allows you to get a Gold Skulltala. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcaith Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 There's one door you can only open from the main chamber when the water is at its highest. Also, once you lower the water all the way, enter the chamber in the middle of the main chamber and raise the water once, you can access a path right at the bottom. Which is the lowest point of the dungeon, ergo the lowest point of the lake. Not that it matters. It's clear that we at least all agree that the text originally belonged elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeth Ryder Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Will someone explain this, then? In prerelease screenshots, we saw Link meeting Sheik at the altar. That would be where he descended. In the final game, he came face-to-face with Sheik at the Pedestal of Time. Disprove that this is leftover beta. Its in the final version of the game, the term beta refers to things that were in a previous build that didn't make it into the final game. @Twili - Because you posted screenshots of sheik and link infront of the alter doesn't prove yours or flotonic's point, it just proves that sheik originally met link infront of the alter instead of the sword chamber. Lastly, two options that actually make sense, he either walked out of the sword chamber and the door of time closed behind him, or like with all the other temples ingame, Link was warped to the pedestal in the Temple of Time using the blue light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flotonic Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Also, I can't help but reply to this: Its in the final version of the game' date=' the term beta refers to things that were in a previous build that didn't make it into the final game.[/quote'] I never said it was beta. I said it was leftover beta: unchanged text, along with the text still used in the game that references the Forest Temple being the Wind Temple originally as well as other things. It's just like your precious object_oE5 is still in the game. That doesn't mean that it's not beta. It just means that it was left in there and/or went unchanged. Let's just come to an agreement here. Trying to get things back on topic about object_human, I'll share some trivia about the follow-up video. It was originally 23:53:7 long (twenty three minutes, fifty three seconds, and seventy microseconds long). I also discovered not long ago that the little muffin was eating about 70 GB of my space (the total videos in my HyperCam 2 video folder totaled up to 121 GB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeth Ryder Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Also, I can't help but reply to this: I never said it was beta. I said it was leftover beta: unchanged text, along with the text still used in the game that references the Forest Temple being the Wind Temple originally as well as other things. It's just like your precious object_oE5 is still in the game. That doesn't mean that it's not beta. It just means that it was left in there and/or went unchanged. Let's just come to an agreement here. oE5 is not ingame, its leftover on the cart, just like the Japanese "wind medallion" text is not used anywhere ingame but is still located on the cart. As for the text, I don't see what your trying to prove when its ingame, its literally part of the game, its not left over anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage of Mirrors Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 What is Object_oE5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeth Ryder Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 What is Object_oE5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage of Mirrors Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I see. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flotonic Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 oE5 is not ingame, its leftover on the cart, just like the Japanese "wind medallion" text is not used anywhere ingame but is still located on the cart. As for the text, I don't see what your trying to prove when its ingame, its literally part of the game, its not left over anything. I'll quote myself and just make what I'm saying stand out a little better. I never said it was beta. I said it was leftover beta: unchanged text, along with the text still used in the game that references the Forest Temple being the Wind Temple originally as well as other things. If Nintendo forgot to change something, I would consider it not meant to be there, thus a leftover. If I have to send an email to Nintendo about this just to prove it was something they forgot to change, I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeth Ryder Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 I'll quote myself and just make what I'm saying stand out a little better. I never said it was beta. I said it was leftover beta: unchanged text, along with the text still used in the game that references the Forest Temple being the Wind Temple originally as well as other things. If Nintendo forgot to change something, I would consider it not meant to be there, thus a leftover. If I have to send an email to Nintendo about this just to prove it was something they forgot to change, I will. You are being a bit ridiculous dude. Nintendo didn't forget to change anything, stop making up assumptions.Do you even read what you have been saying? You bring up beta that is not even used in game as examples of your "Left over Beta" then bitch when someone doesn't even understand your failed logic. Make up your mind what the hell your even talking about before posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinout Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Pretty sure something the player sees in the final game is intended to be there, and thus not beta. If it's text, keep in mind that it was likely translated a couple of months before OoT was released, and thus, it wouldn't differ much from what the game was supposed to be. I don't see a valid argument. The "gate to higher" or whatever simply references the unreachable doors which are -get this - above the waterline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flotonic Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Do you even read what you have been saying? I have Formal Thought Disorder and that causes me to mix things around. From one conversation with me' date=' you could probably notice that if you payed enough attention. If it's text' date=' keep in mind that it was likely translated a couple of months before OoT was released, and thus, it wouldn't differ much from what the game was supposed to be.[/quote']Things still can be different, however. I'm glad you understood that much; that's what I was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeth Ryder Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 I have Formal Thought Disorder and that causes me to mix things around. From one conversation with me, you could probably notice that if you payed enough attention.We've had very little actual conversations for me to notice honestly. I think we're kind of straying off the topic at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Fire Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 The translation theory could very well be sound. After all, just by looking at some of the translations that NoA used, quite a few are inaccurate. Still, I should probably steer clear of this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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